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Three Armed Customers Stop an Armed Robbery in Georgia

January 20, 2023

Lethal Threats and Thinking Ahead

Crime happens. That fact is timeless. Violent crime also changes as we change and we are not the society we used to be. We might sit on the couch and watch big-city crime shows every night, but most of us know that the police won’t get to us in time to stop a criminal’s violent attack. Given where we live, the police are simply too far away. That is true in rural areas and in small towns across the country. Given the reductions in police budgets, it might be true in your city too. We also know that fewer criminals are being taken off the streets by our courts. That leaves the responsibility with us to defend ourselves until the police arrive.

This news story took place in a small rural town. It is unlikely that the town of Ellijay, Georgia has a police force since the population is less than 2000 people. That means that law enforcement is handled by sheriff’s deputies or by the state police. This story is nearly over by the time the police arrived on the scene. Put yourself in this story and see what happened a half hour after sunset last Monday.

The store clerk in the gas station-convenience store knew he had a problem when a customer pulled a gun from their pocket and pointed the gun at the clerk’s head. The robber was wearing pantyhose over his face in order to disguise his appearance. The robber demanded the money in the cash drawer. The store clerk thought the robber might kill him since other robbers have shot and killed store clerks before.

Though neither the robber nor the store clerk knew it at the time, the robber wasn’t the only person with a gun in that rural convenience store. One of the customers in the store was carrying concealed. The armed customer heard the clerk cry out. He saw the robber pointing his gun at the store clerk’s head. He saw the mask on the robber’s face.

They say that a picture is worth a thousand words, and that scene was a picture of an innocent store clerk facing a lethal threat. The customer believed what he saw.

We’re not sure about what happened next. We know the armed customer presented his firearm. He told the robber to stop. We don’t know if the customer moved so he was harder to see or harder to shoot. We don’t know if the robber lowered his gun. We know that there were other customers in the store during the robbery, and we don’t know if the armed customer had a clear shot at the robber without putting the store clerk or other innocent parties at risk.

This was when a second customer ran outside and grabbed his handgun from his truck. The second armed customer ran back inside and also pointed his firearm at the robber. With both armed customers pointing a gun at him, the robber inched towards the front door and no one fired.

Details matter and we don’t have security video to show us exactly what happened. The robber was a lethal and immediate threat when he had his firearm pointed at the store clerk. It is arguable that the threat was not immediate if the robber lowered his gun. Even though he may have been armed, the robber was not an immediate threat if he turned away and was moving toward the empty door.

A third customer was outside pumping gas during the robbery. He either saw the robbery or saw the second customer get a gun from his truck. The third customer grabbed his firearm and ran to the doorway of the convenience store. He also told the robber to stop.

I assume the third armed customer was standing in or near the doorway. The third armed customer did not have to move out of the way in order to let the robber escape safely.

The robber was surrounded. The robber would become an immediate threat and be shot if he moved toward any of the armed customers or towards the store clerk. One of the armed customers told the robber to drop his gun and get on the floor. The robber did so.

The first armed customer recognized that the robber was no longer a lethal threat since he was disarmed and on the floor. The customer told the other defenders to raise their firearms. We’re not sure who called 911 and asked for the police.

The robber was uncooperative when the police arrived. He kept trying to run out the door and officers had to tase the robber in order to put handcuffs on him. The officers secured the attacker’s gun. They also arrested the robber’s wife. She was acting as the getaway driver and was waiting in their car beside the convenience store.

The male robber was charged with armed robbery, aggravated assault, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. The female robber was charged with armed robbery. Both remained in jail without bond.

It probably took longer to read this story than it took for the robbery to unfold. If you hadn’t thought about it ahead of time, then you probably wouldn’t know what to do even if you had a firearm with you.

These points stand out-

  • Criminal don’t obey our gun laws.
  • The armed robber was initially a lethal, immediate, and unavoidable threat to an innocent person. That justified the use of force, including lethal force. Said another way, using a gun might have been the safest thing to do.
  • Good guys are reluctant to shoot bad guys even when they are legally justified in doing so.
  • Dangerous threats require an immediate response. The first defender did not have time to run to his car and get his firearm. Because the first customer was armed, the other customers had time to grab their firearm and respond.
  • The robber was no longer a threat when he dropped his gun and was laying on the floor. The defenders were wise to take their finger off the trigger of their guns and point their firearms in a safer direction. It is best practice to not point a gun at someone when they are not a threat.
  • The first armed customer saved the store clerk. The other armed customers allowed the police to capture the criminal.

I don’t want to shoot anyone, but sometimes bad guys need to be shot. The fact is that until he lowered his gun, the robber could have murdered the store clerk. Verbal commands worked in this case. They don’t work every time. That leaves me with more questions than answers.

Should we use words and try to defuse the situation if the robber were threatening one of our loved ones? Should we press the trigger if a criminal was threatening a stranger? What changed from one case to the other? I thought I knew the answers but now I’m not so sure. I brought up those questions precisely because I need to think about them.

We won’t have time to weigh competing arguments when someone screams in fear. Thank you for being one of the good guys who go armed and who’ve thought about what to do.

News Sources from Atlanta stations-

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/local/customers-with-firearms-subdue-armed-robbery-suspect-ellijay-gas-station/85-422b51d9-8704-45cd-b09d-64f2a72d3e0c

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/ellijay-thief-womens-panties-face-mask

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I gave you 1200 words. Please share them with a friend and leave me your thoughts. RM

9 Comments leave one →
  1. January 20, 2023 1:31 pm

    I am more a silent follower of your blog, Mr. Rob, although I am not overly agreeable of the things you promote. Yet I was very interested in this encounter and encouraged by your questioning along a more moral line. My take for what it’s worth…
    If the facts and video all support this event then it was rather amazing the restraint of all three of the defenders. This might suggest, small town.. all three knew each other… maybe one or all three had some sort of deputy/auxiliary training. On the other hand, these could be three total strangers just happening to have a firearm and at the gas station, at that moment… and all three were not into some self-defense or “vigilante mode”. That might be the important part to all this. None of the three defenders were in personal threat, hence they addressed the situation under a less stressful perception. They had a drop on the robber… the element of surprise. Had the clerk behind the counter been a loved one to any of the three I would have to think this event would have ended far differently.
    This is also a cautionary tale. If the three defenders were total strangers… and defender 3 was out pumping gas.. and watching defender 2 run out to his vehicle and grab a weapon… defender 3 at that point likely might not be aware of what was going on and who was posing the threat. Thusly he could have entered the building and seeing three guys with guns drawn.. who was the threat? In fact, the two armed defenders already in the store might not understand who the armed guy was entering the building.. and maybe thinking it was with the robber.
    Honestly, I am waiting for that exact thing to happen in some mall or a Walmart when multiple armed citizens respond from different directions to gunshots, each not knowing there are other guns in the store responding, hence not being able to determine who the shooter is… and then end up shooting each other.

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    • January 20, 2023 9:40 pm

      I think it was easy to find the bad guy. Remember that the robber had pantyhose around his head. That is called a clue.

      Like you, I also wondered why more good guys are not shot. I think cops read body language for a living. ‘The guy holding the G-19 at the low ready while he stood behind the concrete pillar didn’t look and act like a bad guy.’

      Also, an armed teacher told me this when we were talking about risks. ‘If I kill the bad guy in my school and a few minutes later a cop from another department shoots me.. that might not be a bad trade.’

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      • January 20, 2023 10:42 pm

        A teacher shouldn’t have to make that call. A cop doesn’t even get hired for that possibility. Interesting time? No.. we live in whacked times where priorities don’t matter anymore.

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  2. January 20, 2023 6:57 pm

    Reblogged this on Howie's Blog.

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  3. Richard Whitmire permalink
    January 22, 2023 1:52 pm

    In the reading of this story I was minded of another aspect. Good Guy #1 had no idea He would have backup when He decided to intervene. He was taking His own life in his hands by doing so to protect the clerk. Had the robber decided to turn and fire, was #1 mentally ready to fire also. From the narrative, we know the bad guy was a career Felon and that after the intervention He was trying to escape. Probably because He didn’t want to go back to prison. Good guys #2 and 3 were not actually in possession of their guns as the incident unfolded. #2 had to run out to his truck to retrieve His firearm, what good is a carry gun if you aren’t carrying it? Don’t go to a gun fight without a gun. #3 was probably 30-50 feet away at the pumps and would have been at best a witness for police had #1 not been in the store. The only thing that kept this from becoming a tragedy is that the bad guy was not ready to die on that day. If You, as a citizen carrying a defensive weapon, and do not have the mindset to immediately fire Your weapon at another Human in a case like this, any doubts at all, leave it in the holster and wait for that mean dog on your street to attack you as you’re out walking in the evening, It’s why you bought it anyway, and just be a good witness. Drawing your gun puts a target on your back. Remember that.

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  4. Jake Mateer permalink
    January 23, 2023 7:01 am

    Sounds like everyone responded bravely and correctly. Good to hear.

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  5. January 25, 2023 3:59 pm

    The robber was no longer a threat when he dropped his gun and was laying on the floor.

    Wrong! Wrong! Wrongety-wrong-WRONG!!!
    The robber is no longer a threat when he’s dead, or in handcuffs and searched, and the entire scene is secured.
    My X-ray vision is broken, and you’re going to get shot the first time you think a robber or any other crook only has ONE weapon.

    Learning that after you’ve been shot with one of the other guns you didn’t know he had is a poor way to learn that lesson.

    De-conflicting crossfire is sensible, but everyone lowering their weapons because the suspect dropped one gun is suicidal. That lesson is written in blood, as witnessed by the walls of pictures of dead officers at police stations from coast to coast.

    And what happens if wifey/girlfriend happened up behind one of them with a gun too?? The number of off-duty officers who broke up robberies in progress, only to be capped by the second bad guy they didn’t see behind them are legion as well.

    It ain’t over until it’s OVER. Never drop your guard, or position of advantage, until reinforcements arrive. And keep your head on a swivel the entire time.

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